Todd Spear & Katie Emerson Return: Nutrition21 at Summit West 2023

0:00 – Introduction

This podcast options Ben as the only real host, coming in from the Sports activities and Lively Diet Summit in San Diego, CA, hosted by our mates at NutraIngredients-USA. Ben introduces return company Todd Spear and Katie Emerson of Nutrition21, a sponsor of PricePlow’s that develops novel substances like Nitrosigine and nooLVL.

Katie gave a presentation on the convention, and is trying ahead to sharing some notes with PricePlow Nation. The crew decides to “wing” this podcast – and talks about how they will typically do the identical in components of a presentation, on condition that they know the subject.

1:45 – Katie Emerson’s Presentation for Nutrition21 at Summit West

In Katie’s shows, she tries to go “50/50”:

• 50% vitamin / ingredient science
• 50% market and business tendencies

This helps everybody perceive what’s occurring within the business typically. Folks appreciated Nutrition21’s latest Koffee with Katie webinar sequence, a lot due to this — and as a result of it wasn’t a gross sales pitch. Katie’s not on the gross sales workforce and stays nearer to the scientific features of the dietary ingredient area.

Some issues that Katie lined at Summit in 2022:

• “Sports activities Diet” is altering to “Lively Diet”
• Demographics: eSports / collegiate Athletes / on a regular basis gymnasium goers / extra intense CrossFitters

This yr, Katie had extra statements that addressed the business – plenty of dialogue on high quality and general formulations for his or her demographics.

4:30 – Main business substances utilizing the “gold normal”

Katie’s presentation defined why Nutrition21 does what they do, and the way they meet the gold normal:

Flashback: Todd Spear and Katie Emerson of Nutrition21 joined the PricePlow Podcast at SupplySide West 2022 for Episode #075 to speak analysis, tendencies, nitric oxide dietary supplements, and extra!

• High quality testing
• Preclinical / in-vitro research
• Security / toxicology screenings
• Efficacy research – the science must be replicable

You possibly can’t simply have one examine! Nutrition21’s buyer isn’t the patron, so their focus is on serving to manufacturers succeed – that’s their primary contact level. (It’s clearly good that customers know who they’re at this level, although.)

6:00 – Todd’s supporting formulation

When firms are formulating with Nutrition21’s substances, one nice profit is that they’ve entry to Todd’s unimaginable knowledge and community of connections (apart: Todd is aware of actually everyone on this business). Formulation assist isn’t a contracted service from Nutrition21, however Todd’s going to be sure you’re going to succeed with their merchandise.

Many various manufacturers can make the most of these substances for barely totally different functions. The general perform is blood movement, focus, pump, and so forth… and this could enchantment to a really broad number of individuals. So the query turns into what you mix it with to distinguish.

8:15 – PreRace – Do Endurance athletes need pump?

Taking a look at totally different use circumstances, Ben flashes again to our protection of First Endurance PreRace 2.0, questioning if endurance athletes needed further pump from Nitrosigine. Todd quips that as a bicycle owner, it isn’t essentially about pump, however blood movement. Even when some kinds of athletes don’t need a “pump”, they do need higher blood movement and oxygen supply.

9:00 – The shift from sports activities vitamin to lively vitamin and way of life

First Endurance PreRace 2.0 is a serious improve from the unique PreRace and PreRace Caps, with higher blood movement because of Nutrition21’s Nitrosigine! It’s unflavored and unsweetened, so add it to your favourite sports activities drink or amino acid beverage and get after it!

Todd’s been at Nutrition21 for 10 years. A decade in the past, you have been very a lot chasing “bodybuilder manufacturers”. Some manufacturers figured it out early, capturing larger demographics. However the tipping level was actually Ghost’s rise. They hit the broader inhabitants actually nicely.

Now you’re seeing giant, multinational firms getting into the lively vitamin area in a extra genuine and critical means than you’ve previously. Beforehand, you’d see a number of pre-workouts in grocery shops, for example, however they have been made by giant firms that didn’t care about efficacy. That’s now not the case – the merchandise from giant companies must work.

Everybody’s utilizing protein powder, even Todd’s mother – it wasn’t like that some time again. It’s a very good privilege to be on this business and an ideal signal for these inside.

11:30 – ProSupps Hyde at Walmart – Mass shopper (FDM)

It’s nice to see these substances go far and broad. If going into mass shopper (FDM = Meals/Drug/Mass), firms need to do it intelligently to make the revenue margins required. One which we lately lined was the brand new ProSupps Hyde that did it with Nitrosigine, a stable hit of caffeine, and OG yohimbe.

Not simply the novel with Nitrosigine, however the OG with basic yohimbe as nicely!

Most shoppers, if blindfolded, wouldn’t discover the distinction between this and another merchandise – so if that’s the case, get the product to extra shoppers. Walmart prospects are usually price-conscious and have decrease disposable revenue than somebody shopping for a product at, say, Lifetime Health club.

So when Hyde used 1.5 grams of Nitrosigine, that has the equal of 8 grams of citrulline malate, and that’s a massive deal saving room, weight, area, and price at a spot like Walmart.

14:30 – It began with much less efficacious merchandise…

A decade in the past, you had far much less efficacious merchandise. Then we began getting larger scoop sizes with fully-dosed pre-workouts. Now it’s leveling again out – you don’t at all times want a 30+ gram scoop with overlapping mechanisms, however you do want some stage of efficacy to succeed. This leads us into Katie’s tabletop dialogue:

15:45 – Curiosity in Mechanisms of Motion

Katie’s tabletop dialogue was to debate the Nutrition21 substances’ mechanisms of motion, and she or he was excited to see how a lot individuals actually cared. This isn’t stunning since Summit West has a whole lot of clever people who find themselves credentialed and are there to study extra about substances.

Katie asks, “Are you throwing the kitchen sink at it or are you being considerate?”

18:00 – Formulating for the 5 million

Whereas the PricePlow group loves the kitchen sink, everybody has totally different spending thresholds. There are solely so many individuals who perceive and wish complete kitchen sink, however there are thousands and thousands who take pre-workout typically. Each audiences must be reached.

21:45 – Velositol on Howard Stern

New information revealed within the Journal of Train and Diet reveals that Nutrition21’s Velositol, a protein-boosting Amylopectin-Chromium Advanced, boosts train efficiency!

A NutriSystem industrial on the Howard Stern Present featured Velositol (Nutrition21’s protein-boosting ingredient) and he truly talked about the ingredient by title! Todd jokes that you simply’d by no means have anticipated that.

Todd’s been extra in step with protein, and thus extra constant along with his Velositol. When taking it persistently, he’s feeling an ideal distinction along with his weight reduction objectives. Katie notes that Velositol does include chromium, and Chromax has a whole lot of weight reduction claims.

Ben talks about Glaxon Protos Whey, in its fascinating makes an attempt to imitate the human milk expertise. It additionally consists of Velositol – identical to lots of the premium protein powders do. Velositol has had higher endurance than different “protein boosting” substances.

25:00 – Todd’s N=1 Experiment with Velositol

The important thing factor Todd’s protein consumption appeared to assist was discount in soreness, so Todd examined protein with out Velositol, and swears he seen a greater distinction when utilizing it. He had been caught for some time and is very completely satisfied along with his latest outcomes.

Getting again to Glaxon Protos Whey, Ben’s seen that he solely wants 25 grams of it, whereas he used to want 50 grams. He’s positively getting extra out of much less. Velositol is becoming in very nicely with each the macronutrient and micronutrient wants of customers.

30:00 – Chromax: The Chromium Workhorse

For over 25 years, Chromax chromium picolinate has been bettering insulin sensitivity. We argue that it’s solely gotten higher, as dietary deficiencies have gotten worse over this time interval.

Chromium is listed within the minerals, which implies that it will not be added to the lively substances – a whole lot of shoppers miss that as a result of they’re skipping proper all the way down to the lively substances. Chromax has a ton of analysis, and it’s not all from Nutrition21 (see our deep-dive chromium picolinate article).

In the meantime, Velositol has led to precise finish factors, such because the analysis on improved efficiency like vertical bounce energy and peak (see our article titled Velositol Will increase Train Efficiency: New College Examine Printed).

Katie factors out that even Nitrosigine doesn’t have efficiency measures, however positively ought to. It’s robust to measure “expertise”, however good researchers can design research that show good enhancements. The Velositol examine had a energy and conditioning coach – however the assist was utilized to the management group as nicely.

33:00 – The Placebo Impact

The crew jokes concerning the placebo impact, as a result of some research do present some unimaginable positive factors within the placebo group – particularly when you’ve correct coaching and training as nicely.

Ben brings up the age previous PricePlow debate with artificial caffeine vs. pure caffeine, and the way Glaxon confirmed that it was principally placebo impact. Many have been even duped by maltodextrin as a placebo! You’ll suppose that customers would really feel the distinction between caffeine and placebo however even there, many didn’t. Level being, placebo/nocebo impact is robust.^[1-3]

Katie discusses how individuals merely carry out higher once they know they’re being monitored, and Todd quips that macro monitoring typically works as a result of it adjustments habits. Flashing again to our podcast with Dr. Ralf Jaeger, he talked about that individuals practice more durable in a gaggle. The identical goes for adhering to a private coach.

40:45 – What’s an “common individual” for a examine anymore?

10 years in the past, we needed skilled, younger athletes. However that’s not at all times the consumer now!

Chromax is the business’s most trusted and examined type of chromium picolinate, serving to customers keep insulin delicate for many years

Todd notes that there’s a surprisingly excessive quantity of individuals on the Olympia and Arnold which are out of practice. In the event that they’re at these occasions, they’re almost definitely coaching. So possibly we needs to be gearing extra analysis in the direction of them.

Ben personally loves that persons are learning skilled athletes — it’s more durable to maneuver the needle for them — however the common individual within the gymnasium in all probability squats about 185 kilos and deadlifts possibly two plates.

Certainly one of Katie’s jobs is to create science that interprets to the inhabitants – and the weight problems epidemic has positively made issues worse. Are you able to be “wholesome overweight” is a really massive dialog – it’s a sensitive topic – however the unhappy reality is, that’s a considerable amount of our shoppers. It’s robust to outline well being – BMI is wildly outdated for anybody who trains, blood markers might be masked, and so forth.

Ben’s proud to say that he’s overwhelmed sleep apnea this previous yr!

49:00 – Katie’s presentation: merchandise that cross classes

We’ve been ready two years to see how Glaxon would “Glaxonify” a protein powder. Their humanized PROTOS Whey does not disappoint.

Katie’s been thinking about merchandise that span a number of classes. Publish exercise was simply protein, now there’s way more. Pre-workouts now have some further nutritional vitamins. You possibly can add Nutrition21’s Lustriva to collagen merchandise.

51:00 – Lustriva (skincare ingredient)

PricePlow’s by no means lined Nutrition21’s skincare ingredient, Lustriva, so Ben asks about it. It’s clearly not in sports activities / lively vitamin, nevertheless it in fact pertains to eager to look higher. So sports activities manufacturers ought to have a hair and skincare product.

Ghost Glow is a superb instance of a profitable product. Manufacturers may as nicely preserve their shoppers and formulate to their demographic.

Equally, skincare manufacturers also needs to have a protein powder — if individuals care about their appears, there’s an ideal likelihood that they’re hitting the gymnasium too!

56:00 – Closing up and common dialog

The dialog strikes round from habit to journey to work on airplanes and every part else. They then shut down, however you’ll be able to comply with Nutrition21 on Instagram: @Nutrition21_LLC.